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adam: before we get to the debt ceiling. california overestimated how much tax revenue they would get from the facebook ipo. the overestimated by $600 million. you can hear jerry brown doing a homer simpson. can you trust governments to get the numbers right? the fight over the debt ceiling is in full force. as democratdemocrats propose a o eliminate it completely and the ratings have come out with two scenarios in which it was downgraded the u.s. credit rating. not good news. some republicans are relishing the debt ceiling does indeed have to be raised. joining us now, ihs chief economist and we appreciate you being here. is this fight we are about to have necessary, and what is going to happen to whether it is the global market, 401(k), what will happen to all of us if congress passes this fight? >> this is not a necessary fight. this situation created by congress which sent the debt ceilinfrom years ago in hopes it would impose some discipline but of course it hasn't because it has been raised and raised and raised and no
adam: before we get to the debt ceiling. california overestimated how much tax revenue they would get from the facebook ipo. the overestimated by $600 million. you can hear jerry brown doing a homer simpson. can you trust governments to get the numbers right? the fight over the debt ceiling is in full force. as democratdemocrats propose a o eliminate it completely and the ratings have come out with two scenarios in which it was downgraded the u.s. credit rating. not good news. some republicans...
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they could default on the debt, unless the debt ceiling is raised. republicans want the president to cut spending before they i gree on a deal. but the president at no time seem eager for compromise. listen. >> we have to stop lurking from crisis to crisis to crisis. when there is a clear pass that requires discipline, responsibility and compromise. >> dana: yet, he showed little willingness to do so. >> i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce the deficit, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have racked up. what i will not do is to have that negotiation with gun at the head of the people. >> dana: interesting choice of words to describe that. eric, you talked about not wanting the country to lurch from crisis to crisis. most americans would agree and want washington to fix fundamental problems. why do we have to have the debate every three months? >> eric: sure. start with the debt ceiling and how it came about. prior to world war i, everybody was paid
they could default on the debt, unless the debt ceiling is raised. republicans want the president to cut spending before they i gree on a deal. but the president at no time seem eager for compromise. listen. >> we have to stop lurking from crisis to crisis to crisis. when there is a clear pass that requires discipline, responsibility and compromise. >> dana: yet, he showed little willingness to do so. >> i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce the...
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translation, the debt ceiling deal didn't do enough about the debt itself. so keep this in mind when you hear it said,be with great certainty it's the republicans trying to force spending cuts over endangering the nation credit rating. as will rogers quoted once, "it isn'tbe what we don't know that gives us trouble. it's what we know that ain't so." bret? >> bret: the president has effectively turned the messaging around. by saying it's about paying the bills that congress has already passed. the laws that it's already passed. republicans are saying it's about borrowing authority. essentially running up the country's credit card. >> exactly. what the republicans are saying is look, we maxed out the credit card. it's time before we extend any new credit or allow any new credit to do something aboutbe the spending that got us here. that would seem on the surface to be a reasonable argument. but so far, the republicans have not been able to win it. and what tends to happen in the fights when you get all of this late hour melodrama as we have had in the last cou
translation, the debt ceiling deal didn't do enough about the debt itself. so keep this in mind when you hear it said,be with great certainty it's the republicans trying to force spending cuts over endangering the nation credit rating. as will rogers quoted once, "it isn'tbe what we don't know that gives us trouble. it's what we know that ain't so." bret? >> bret: the president has effectively turned the messaging around. by saying it's about paying the bills that congress has...
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rid of the debt ceiling. most countries don't have a debt ceiling. you still need votes from congress to authorize spending. you couldn't just borrow willy nilly anyway. the simple fact is the debt ceiling is the one time in the legislative process where you actually get a bill. everyone having all this contest of whose analogy is right, whether it's a family with a budget, whether it's this. or that, whether it's dining and dashing as the president likes to say. the debt ceiling is the moment you get the credit card bill and it's the only moment. and if you can't have a sort of reckoning about your spending habits when you see your credit card bill you're never going to have that reckoning. i'm in favor of it. i'm in favor of any speed bumps towards more spending and this is as good as any. jon: the president was talking about it at his news conference the other day. i want to play something that he had to say and get your reaction. >> if congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on time, socia
rid of the debt ceiling. most countries don't have a debt ceiling. you still need votes from congress to authorize spending. you couldn't just borrow willy nilly anyway. the simple fact is the debt ceiling is the one time in the legislative process where you actually get a bill. everyone having all this contest of whose analogy is right, whether it's a family with a budget, whether it's this. or that, whether it's dining and dashing as the president likes to say. the debt ceiling is the moment...
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ceiling and thereby cause an economic catastrophe. >> the process of raising the debt ceiling should not be used as a political weapon against the american people. >> and say a legislative relic has now been weaponized. >> megyn: well, that was a news conference a short time ago. house democrats hold ago news conference to abolish the debt ceiling even as we watch the debt race up to the 16.4 trillion dollar limit and we hear talk now about circles of whole new class of taxes that the american people may be saddled with. stu varney is varney and company on the fox business network. they're not the majority in the house, but there is he' a push to make them the majority in the house. and president obama is reportedly maneuvering in a lot of ways, politically now to try to set the democrats up to retake control of the house and there's a question about whether as soon as 2014, if they get their way, they're going to get rid of the debt ceiling. what would that do? >> what they want is unlimited borrowing by the administration so the treasury can say, i want to borrow, this, this, this,
ceiling and thereby cause an economic catastrophe. >> the process of raising the debt ceiling should not be used as a political weapon against the american people. >> and say a legislative relic has now been weaponized. >> megyn: well, that was a news conference a short time ago. house democrats hold ago news conference to abolish the debt ceiling even as we watch the debt race up to the 16.4 trillion dollar limit and we hear talk now about circles of whole new class of taxes...
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but they want it separated from debt ceiling. >> let's talk about this debt ceiling thing, howard. do you think the press objectively can report the way the president tried to sell it, which is if this government can't pay its debts, refuses to pay it because of the debt ceiling, is that the republican decision or is it going to be played, conflict in washington, gridlock, both parties to blame? >> well, the president said in the press conference i think people will blame all of washington, but he didn't mean it. and he doesn't believe it. he thinks, and i think rightly thinks, that the political onus will be on the republicans. the president said we aren't a deadbeat nation, which is one of many great quotes in that press conference. >> i like that word, deadbeat. >> we aren't a deadbeat nation, and he said the republicans will turn us into a deadbeat nation if they do what they're threatening -- >> if somebody else objects to the question, if there's a different answer, i'll accept it. did the democrats ever play the game of not paying the bills of the united states government as
but they want it separated from debt ceiling. >> let's talk about this debt ceiling thing, howard. do you think the press objectively can report the way the president tried to sell it, which is if this government can't pay its debts, refuses to pay it because of the debt ceiling, is that the republican decision or is it going to be played, conflict in washington, gridlock, both parties to blame? >> well, the president said in the press conference i think people will blame all of...
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raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> and of course republicans tried to trick americans into believing the debt ceiling was a blank check or magic credit card for the president to go spend whatever he wanted to spend. of course, the united states constitution gives the power to tax and spend to the congress, and the congress alone. our current deficit is the result of money congress has already borrowed. president obama explained to the american people today how republicans in congress are trying to avoid doing their actual jobs. >> these are bills that have already been racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they've already racked up. >> if the american people do not catch on to the severity of all of this, of defaulting on our debts, the cou
raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> and of course republicans tried to trick americans into believing the debt ceiling was a blank check or magic credit card for the president to go spend whatever he wanted to spend. of course, the united states constitution gives the power to tax and spend to the congress, and the congress alone. our current deficit is the result of money...
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president obama warned republicans about taking the debt ceiling hostage. it looks like they heard the message. >> the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they better choose quickly because time is running short. >> republicans made their choice today during a gop retreat in williamsburg, virginia. house majority leader eric cap tore reportedly announced plans to pass a bill extending the debt limit for an additional three months. it's the clearest signs yet republicans have no intention of ever defaulting on the country's debt. in a statement the white house responding, saying, we are encouraged. there are signs congressional republicans may back off their insistence on holding our economy hostage to extract drastic cuts in medicare, education and programs middle class families depend on. the temporary nature of the increase is somewhat troubling. a white house official told nbc news it's a terrible way to run the country. but the aid
president obama warned republicans about taking the debt ceiling hostage. it looks like they heard the message. >> the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they better choose quickly because time is running short. >> republicans made their choice today during a gop retreat in williamsburg, virginia. house majority leader eric cap tore reportedly announced plans...
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ceiling. >> now the other imposition is called the debt ceiling. something most americans had not heard of before two years ago. so i want to be clear about this. the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> and of course republicans tried to trick americans into believing the debt ceiling was a blank check or magic credit card for the president to go spend whatever he wanted to spend. of course, the united states constitution gives the power to spend to congress. the result is the money congress has already borrowed. president obama explained to the american people in congress how they're trying to do their actual jobs. >> these are bills that are racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm we'illing to find compromise on how to pay our debts, americans should not be stopped from paying the bills we racked up. >> the country will be in a dire situation. president obama knows
ceiling. >> now the other imposition is called the debt ceiling. something most americans had not heard of before two years ago. so i want to be clear about this. the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> and of course republicans tried to trick americans into believing the debt ceiling was a blank check or...
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senator against the debt ceiling, he talked in essence how irresponsible it was to raise the debt ceiling. what in the world happened between then and now? why does somebody responsible for something raise the debt ceiling that wasn't before? what's the difference? >> i think that the president was terribly irresponsible, to say he's not talking about it because he's above it to blame congress, in part congress creates this problem, but we're going to solve this problem. i got elected to uphold the constitution and leave this country better than how we found we can't keep spending our kids inheritance, can't keep spending their money, we don't have it. >> greta: apparently he has threatened, i think his statement, at least people-- that in the event, congress doesn't authorize to raise that debt ceiling that he will do it unilaterally himself and he thinks he has the authority. do you >> absolutely not. under the 14th amendment of the constitution you can only do this as authorized by law and law is only created through the united states congress. so the president has absolutely no ground
senator against the debt ceiling, he talked in essence how irresponsible it was to raise the debt ceiling. what in the world happened between then and now? why does somebody responsible for something raise the debt ceiling that wasn't before? what's the difference? >> i think that the president was terribly irresponsible, to say he's not talking about it because he's above it to blame congress, in part congress creates this problem, but we're going to solve this problem. i got elected to...
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he's not negotiating over the debt ceiling. michael, is this more of what we're going to hear from him today? is he going to lay the groundwork for the battle ahead? >> i think so. to some degree i think what's happening is a game of chicken unfortunately. i know the financial markets hate it. and it kind of turns your stomach a little bit. but obama has said we're absolutely not negotiating over the weekend a significant event when the treasury department ruled out this kind of fantastical sounding option of minting a trillion dollar platinum coin. so they've closed yet another door, and he's essentially said, you know, i'm just not playing ball. i read that politico story today as very interesting. it could be john boehner's camp saying we can't control the far right wing. it could also be a little bit of a bluff. it may be that boehner really feels that way or maybe he wants the white house the think he feels that way and it could be, again, part of this grand game of chicken. everyone is positioning right now. that's what's
he's not negotiating over the debt ceiling. michael, is this more of what we're going to hear from him today? is he going to lay the groundwork for the battle ahead? >> i think so. to some degree i think what's happening is a game of chicken unfortunately. i know the financial markets hate it. and it kind of turns your stomach a little bit. but obama has said we're absolutely not negotiating over the weekend a significant event when the treasury department ruled out this kind of...
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debt ceiling was introduced way back in world war one. it was meant to give the treasury department more spending at that time. wendall goler, the president seemed that he was willing to call the republicans' bluff on this thing. >> he won't collect ransom for not collecting it on the economy. the last time the country reached the debt ceiling, obama was thinking about what will be prioritized next time. >> if congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on times, social security checks and veterans benefits will be delayed. we might not be able to pay our troops or honor our contracts with small business owners. food inspectors, air traffic controllers, specialists who track down loose nuclear material wouldn't get paychecks. investors will ask if united states is america is a in fact a safe bet. >> reporter: they launched a new term by focusing on the issue likely to dominate the second term. >> shep: what are we hearing from republicans on this? >> republicans are looking at a fiscal perfect storm in march, avoid the fiscal
debt ceiling was introduced way back in world war one. it was meant to give the treasury department more spending at that time. wendall goler, the president seemed that he was willing to call the republicans' bluff on this thing. >> he won't collect ransom for not collecting it on the economy. the last time the country reached the debt ceiling, obama was thinking about what will be prioritized next time. >> if congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on times, social...
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president obama yet on his news conference said raising the debt ceiling will not raise our debt ceiling. all we've raised the debt, we have to may more interest. that in it/will increase the spending. we have a spending problem in this country. that's what we need to address. >> what is your biggest bone of content with john boehner? you've been very public about the fact that you don't think his leadership is something you wanted over this new congress, you didn't vote for him to be the speaker. what is your main problem with him? >> i have no personal problems. i keep hearing that. he himself said i carrying no grudges. we've talked several times. the point is to let him know with le stand up to leadership and hold him account annual. i think that's important to know. that really is on both sides of the aisle. if you go back there were people that challenged the leadership, too. i think that's a good thing. you have new members of congress willing to stand up and saying let's rethink this. let's put america first, not necessarily party politics. i fired the first volley that you would
president obama yet on his news conference said raising the debt ceiling will not raise our debt ceiling. all we've raised the debt, we have to may more interest. that in it/will increase the spending. we have a spending problem in this country. that's what we need to address. >> what is your biggest bone of content with john boehner? you've been very public about the fact that you don't think his leadership is something you wanted over this new congress, you didn't vote for him to be the...
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but you also have the president is up against republicans, he trying to work on the debt ceiling. you have the whole issue of whether or not the debt ceiling is going to be raised, whether or not that is going to be held hostage to actually paying the bills the government has to pay. you also talk about immigration reform. where does this fit in in terms of the president's priorities, do you think? >> well, from where i sat today, obviously it seems to be a very high priority for the president of the united states. i'll let the white house and the administration answer how they're going to deal with congress. that's their task, not mine. but i'm confident that the president, the vice president and the entire administration is going to do everything they can to get the package they proposed today through congress. and, you know, when you heard the president say, i think it's essential, american citizens, the american people have to demand this. we have to act. when you have 1,000 people nearly killed in last 30 days at the hands of gun, when you have mass tragedies like happened in
but you also have the president is up against republicans, he trying to work on the debt ceiling. you have the whole issue of whether or not the debt ceiling is going to be raised, whether or not that is going to be held hostage to actually paying the bills the government has to pay. you also talk about immigration reform. where does this fit in in terms of the president's priorities, do you think? >> well, from where i sat today, obviously it seems to be a very high priority for the...
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there's the debt ceiling, whether or not to raise the debt ceiling. some are talking about shutting the government down when the continuing resolution that authorizes spending for this government runs out, that he would negotiate then on this whole issue of spending cuts and new revenue. and if you cannot get a deal, then you let the government shutdown. some republicans are laying the groundwork for that. then you have the sequestration that was delayed under the fiscal cliff deal. so there are more than one battle happening. where do you think the negotiations should take place? should be the debt ceiling or the continuing resolution to fund the government or sequestration? caller: the continuing revolution to keep the government going -- resolution. there are many departments we don't need. i was showing my grandchildr the debt clock, telling him how much money he would know when he becomes a taxpayer. he said he does not want to become a taxpayer. this is taxation without representation. they have to get this under control. they need a dyiet. host
there's the debt ceiling, whether or not to raise the debt ceiling. some are talking about shutting the government down when the continuing resolution that authorizes spending for this government runs out, that he would negotiate then on this whole issue of spending cuts and new revenue. and if you cannot get a deal, then you let the government shutdown. some republicans are laying the groundwork for that. then you have the sequestration that was delayed under the fiscal cliff deal. so there...
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it's also going to be a play we know there's could be a fight over the debt ceiling. in the past the debt ceiling reminded folks we were borrowing too much and we needed to make changes. it could be a useful reminder not if it goes as far as people really start to worry about in the u.s. government and economic damage which is what we saw last time. the third piece of the resolution the fact that government spending is going to expire and these three issues is another kind of fiscal cliff and the question is is it going to force action with the hardest pieces that are still remaining were the fact when it comes to the fiscal clef they still for all intensive purposes it's good we didn't go over the fiscal cliff, it's good we raise revenue, but we basically did what we always do in washington which is we punted all the hard choices and a sort of tried to declare a bipartisan victory. but it wasn't theirs of the question was what's going to make these next action forcing moments more effective in getting us to take on the policy and this was a part of your question that
it's also going to be a play we know there's could be a fight over the debt ceiling. in the past the debt ceiling reminded folks we were borrowing too much and we needed to make changes. it could be a useful reminder not if it goes as far as people really start to worry about in the u.s. government and economic damage which is what we saw last time. the third piece of the resolution the fact that government spending is going to expire and these three issues is another kind of fiscal cliff and...
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how are we going to see this ludicrous, childish behavior we saw over the debt ceiling argument, for example, come to an end and people get into a room and getting stuff done. that's the key thing, i think, for his second term. >> jamal alluded to a new strategy at the white house, which is going to be to go around congress and go directly to the american people. the white house believes the reason they got a deal in the 12th hour is because they went to the american people and the american people said by god, get something done. >> are they right? >> look, it did work. boehner has also indicated he's not going to deal with the president one-on-one. they're going to go through the regular order. the senate is going to have to do something, the house is going to have to do something. they're going to meet in congress and send it to the presidency. i think the president's legacy to go big, to get a grand bargain, to have long-term economic growth but also to have a legacy of fiscal sustainability could be his major legacy piece. and i think even though he wants to do guns, even though
how are we going to see this ludicrous, childish behavior we saw over the debt ceiling argument, for example, come to an end and people get into a room and getting stuff done. that's the key thing, i think, for his second term. >> jamal alluded to a new strategy at the white house, which is going to be to go around congress and go directly to the american people. the white house believes the reason they got a deal in the 12th hour is because they went to the american people and the...
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. >> we're going to change to debt ceiling now. white house leader eric cantor says the gop -- they're going to give them a three-month reprieve, they're going to temporarily approve a debt limit increase. the president said no negotiating on the debt limit ceiling. is this a victory for the president or do you see this as just a postponing of the inevitable standoff? >> it's both. it is a victory for the president, the republicans have been saying, we're not going to raise the debt ceiling unless we have every dollar of the debt ceiling goes to spending of that same amount. they've conceded they're going to extend the debt ceiling without any cuts. but that moves us to now where government funding expires on march 31th. at that point, we'll have a s w showdown in which republicans insist on spending cuts. there will still be some kind of fight. we will have a clock to some kind of catastrophic event that could happen, like we had in december. but it would not be with the debt ceiling. the republicans seem to have conceded to the o
. >> we're going to change to debt ceiling now. white house leader eric cantor says the gop -- they're going to give them a three-month reprieve, they're going to temporarily approve a debt limit increase. the president said no negotiating on the debt limit ceiling. is this a victory for the president or do you see this as just a postponing of the inevitable standoff? >> it's both. it is a victory for the president, the republicans have been saying, we're not going to raise the debt...
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is he winning this debt ceiling battle? i know you have written about this on slate. >> i think he is winning intel correct annually and emotional and probably politically with the public but it remains to be seen what congress is going to do. we haven't seen a lot of engagement with congress yet. the debt ceiling somewhere between february 15th and the end of february, early march. we don't know quite exactly where it will be. we don't know whether john boehner and the republican house will look him in the eye and say we are not doing anything. it's a mystery right now. >> in fact, politico reported this week over housealf of house republicans say they are willing to shut the government down if they don't get the spending cuts that they are demanding as a price for raising the debt ceiling. >> that is what they are saying. it's still far enough out so that it could all be posturing. even if i accept it -- and i do -- that half of the house members actually believe that as we get closer, as the pressure builds, corporate ex
is he winning this debt ceiling battle? i know you have written about this on slate. >> i think he is winning intel correct annually and emotional and probably politically with the public but it remains to be seen what congress is going to do. we haven't seen a lot of engagement with congress yet. the debt ceiling somewhere between february 15th and the end of february, early march. we don't know quite exactly where it will be. we don't know whether john boehner and the republican house...
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we expect him to talk about the debt ceiling. we're going to bring his comments to you live. >>> it's been one month since the tragic shooting at sandy hook elementary school. politicians at the state and federal level are scrambling to find ways to end gun violence in america. and one of them maryland governor martin o'malley outlined plans for what he says would be the toughest gun laws in the country. >> this would be a comprehensive legislative package to prevent gun violence and it addresses not only the guns but mental health and school safety. briefly, it will ban military assault weapons that have no place on the streets of baltimore or no other neighborhood in our state and it will limit the size of magazines in order to make it harder for criminals to gun down in succession police officers or school children. >> that might work for a state like maryland, a very blue state, but maybe not so much at a federal level. david keane, the president of the national rifle association, says, yeah, it will be a whole different stor
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and if we go forward, just drop this debt ceiling craziness, or vote to increase the debt ceiling and also with the continuing resolution and the sequester, that we do things in a bipartisan way, but not necessarily with a majority of the majority in the house. >> stephanie: uh-huh. here is the president yesterday talking about his appointments. >> obama: i would suggest that everybody wait until they have seen all of my appointments who is in the white house staff and who is in my cabinet before they rush to judgment. >> stephanie: it reminds me congress woman, we talked about this yesterday -- we are really -- at lease you are -- trying to govern in unprecedented times. we have never seen the hostage with the debt limit, and every nominee that the president puts forward they oppose just because the president is for it. >> certainly in the 14 years that i have been here but i think some of those issues like the debt ceiling, this is absolutely new territory. >> stephanie: yeah even the republican party -- we have just not seen a version of it that it was willing to take the united st
and if we go forward, just drop this debt ceiling craziness, or vote to increase the debt ceiling and also with the continuing resolution and the sequester, that we do things in a bipartisan way, but not necessarily with a majority of the majority in the house. >> stephanie: uh-huh. here is the president yesterday talking about his appointments. >> obama: i would suggest that everybody wait until they have seen all of my appointments who is in the white house staff and who is in my...
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this time of course it' over the debt ceiling. and it's going to be big, because it really reflects two different visions of what the debt ceiling is all about. for the president, you heard today, it's about paying your bill. going to a restaurant. picking up the tab for food you've already eaten. fine. >> very common sense, yes. >> very common sense. for republicans, it's about solving a problem. making a government that is too big, smaller and getting control of runaway spending on entitlements like social security and medicare and fixing a long-term problem. it's not just about paying the bills. it's about the future. >> right, but there are also a lot of political calculations in here. i assume they're very close to the political calculations we saw in the last crisis. >> yes, they are, although, you know, in the last crisis it was very clear that the president had the let me rverage. he had just won the election. he had won an election over the tax issue and the republicans lost over the tax issue. they're pushing that so far
this time of course it' over the debt ceiling. and it's going to be big, because it really reflects two different visions of what the debt ceiling is all about. for the president, you heard today, it's about paying your bill. going to a restaurant. picking up the tab for food you've already eaten. fine. >> very common sense, yes. >> very common sense. for republicans, it's about solving a problem. making a government that is too big, smaller and getting control of runaway spending...
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ceiling soon compare our debts and bills . that is the right way to do it. and the i think that is what will eventually happen, but i don't think that going off in another direction would really be all that talk -- all that helpful. >> hello, chairman bernanke. i am a second year in pp at the force cool and studying for a graduate certificate in science and technology. second question from the audience, does the debt ceiling of a practical purpose? could it be eliminated without much consequence? >> does what have? >> the debt ceiling. >> it does not really have. it has symbolic value i guess, but no other country, i believe, maybe one or two other, but no other countries in the world have this particular institution . to so everyone understands what is, the congress appropriates $100, tells the government to spend $100 on whenever and then it raises $80 in revenue through its tax code. now, the arithmetic here sort of says, you have to borrow $20. shephard -- the congress has to give a third rule. if the congress is approving
ceiling soon compare our debts and bills . that is the right way to do it. and the i think that is what will eventually happen, but i don't think that going off in another direction would really be all that talk -- all that helpful. >> hello, chairman bernanke. i am a second year in pp at the force cool and studying for a graduate certificate in science and technology. second question from the audience, does the debt ceiling of a practical purpose? could it be eliminated without much...
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i'm not going to give house republicans anything for raising the debt ceiling. it's on them. if they want to take the heat for veterans benefits and social security benefits not getting to people, what game of chicken are we playing here? >> really high stakes game of chicken is what we're playing here. i had the occasion of going back and reading actually the president's first news conference after he became president, and he is talking then about his overtures to republicans and how he hopes he can create habits of good behavior. well, it's been four long years, and that was about the feistiest press conference spurred by nothing other than he just really wanted to send this signal once again. his message was i'm not backing down, and he is getting the message back from republicans that they aren't either. i think we're going to be asking ourselves which side is going to blink for the next several weeks. i don't know that -- i don't feel confident that i know the answer to that question. >> ruth marcus, thank you very much. kristen welker thank you, from the white house. >>
i'm not going to give house republicans anything for raising the debt ceiling. it's on them. if they want to take the heat for veterans benefits and social security benefits not getting to people, what game of chicken are we playing here? >> really high stakes game of chicken is what we're playing here. i had the occasion of going back and reading actually the president's first news conference after he became president, and he is talking then about his overtures to republicans and how he...
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. >> now the ongoing debate on capitol hill over the debt ceiling. charles krauthammer is taking on the on thepresident's approach. the president isn't interested in fixing the problem but instead breaking the gop. >> the entire strategy for the fiscal cliff was to split the republica republicans. it hading in to do, his offers had nothing do with solving the fiscal he shall ue or solving the debt. he showed no interest in reducing the debt since the day he was elected in 2008. he appoints a commission two years later he ignore it is. he never talked about structural cuts or entitlements. he wants the entitlement states if you want a european entitlement state you need taxation. his strategy is to split, fracture and therefore neuter the republicans in the house. that is all that stands between him and total dominance in washington in his second term. he wants a return to 2009 and 2010 when he had control of both houses he had a super majority in the senate huge majority in the house and revolutionized healthcare and hugest spending in galactic histo
. >> now the ongoing debate on capitol hill over the debt ceiling. charles krauthammer is taking on the on thepresident's approach. the president isn't interested in fixing the problem but instead breaking the gop. >> the entire strategy for the fiscal cliff was to split the republica republicans. it hading in to do, his offers had nothing do with solving the fiscal he shall ue or solving the debt. he showed no interest in reducing the debt since the day he was elected in 2008. he...
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. >>> just a few hours ago paul ryan claimed to have the solution to our debt ceiling impasse. he calls it a short-term debt limit extension. you may know it better as kicking the can down the road. which reminds me, there was someone just a few months ago who was famously against that kind of a deal. who was it? >> kick the can. kick the can. kick the can. >> right, of course. that's who it was. joining us is jonathan alter and jared bernstein. welcome to you both. john, we've seen speaker boehner's power getting weaker and weaker. is paul ryan now the de facto head of the gop? >> well, you know, actually, martin, i think he has been much more influential than people realize -- >> because he's been quite quiet publicly. >> going back to 2011. he has so much respect within that republican caucus. he's the guy who killed simpson/bowl simpson/bowles. he was on the simpson/bowles commission and wasn't willing to have any revenue increases. his fingerprints were not on it. and then when it came to the grand bargain, he told john boehner wait until the election. don't do this deal.
. >>> just a few hours ago paul ryan claimed to have the solution to our debt ceiling impasse. he calls it a short-term debt limit extension. you may know it better as kicking the can down the road. which reminds me, there was someone just a few months ago who was famously against that kind of a deal. who was it? >> kick the can. kick the can. kick the can. >> right, of course. that's who it was. joining us is jonathan alter and jared bernstein. welcome to you both. john,...
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ceiling discussion, around the debt ceiling extension, and i share lou's view that, you know, this is really the height of irresponsibility that we're sitting here discussing whether the united states should default or not on its debt which is debt that has been incurred as a result of spending that has been approved by both bodies of congress and signed by the president of the united states, and i mean, there's 535 members of congress. i awe sure you that not a -- i assure you that not a single one of them if confronted with a credit card bill that they didn't like would simply say i'm not going to pay that because they know that the implications for their credit rating, the access to future bank loans would be affected for 10, 15, 20 year, and so it's appalling we're sitting here discussing whether we would do that with, you know, this country that we're all so incredibly proud of so -- >> let me, the last question, try to be a little bit provocative here. folks like allen blinder, very well-republic -- well-respected economist, peter diamond, and blanking the "new york times" econo
ceiling discussion, around the debt ceiling extension, and i share lou's view that, you know, this is really the height of irresponsibility that we're sitting here discussing whether the united states should default or not on its debt which is debt that has been incurred as a result of spending that has been approved by both bodies of congress and signed by the president of the united states, and i mean, there's 535 members of congress. i awe sure you that not a -- i assure you that not a...
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ceiling, and your own history on the debt ceiling. and doesn't that suggest that we are going to go into a default situation because no one is talking to each other about how to resolve this? >> well, no, major, i think if you look at the history, getting votes for the debt ceiling is always difficult, and budgets in this town are always difficult. i went through this just last year. but what's different is we never saw a situation as we saw last year in which certain groups in congress took such an absolutist position that we came within a few days of defaulting. and the fact of the matter is, is that we have never seen the debt ceiling used in this fashion, where the notion was, you know what, we might default unless we get 100 percent of what we want. that hasn't happened. now, as i indicated before, i'm happy to have a conversation about how we reduce our deficits further in a sensible way. although one thing i want to point out is that the american people are also concerned about how we grow our economy, how we put people back to
ceiling, and your own history on the debt ceiling. and doesn't that suggest that we are going to go into a default situation because no one is talking to each other about how to resolve this? >> well, no, major, i think if you look at the history, getting votes for the debt ceiling is always difficult, and budgets in this town are always difficult. i went through this just last year. but what's different is we never saw a situation as we saw last year in which certain groups in congress...
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but when it comes to the debt ceiling, the debt ceiling, by definition, isn't about authorization new spending. it is about paying the bills that we have already racked up. so are you just trying to say that you want to have this conversation together, at the same time? >> this is about, this is -- raising the debt ceiling is like raising your credit card limit. and historically, this has been a debate. you look over the last four presidents in this country, and there's been a debate, every time, it has come to raising the debt ceiling. because there's a recognition, for years now, that the federal government has been spending way more than it should, way beyond its means, much more than it's actually bringing in. and now, it is -- we cannot continue to kick this can down the road. we've come to the end of the road. it is time for us to stop spending money we don't have. >> former republican speaker newt gingrich is not exactly conflict averse, i think you'd agree, and he has warned the house republicans not to take up this debt ceiling fight. listen. >> asking barack obama not to be
but when it comes to the debt ceiling, the debt ceiling, by definition, isn't about authorization new spending. it is about paying the bills that we have already racked up. so are you just trying to say that you want to have this conversation together, at the same time? >> this is about, this is -- raising the debt ceiling is like raising your credit card limit. and historically, this has been a debate. you look over the last four presidents in this country, and there's been a debate,...
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he'd rather have a conversation about guns than the debt ceiling? >> i think the president is trying to get political support from his base, maybe he feels it strengthens him going into negotiations with the republicans or the fiscal issues. listen these guys won't even ban assault weapons, how can you trust them on taxes and spending. i see it as building up his political position which is not wrong but i don't think in his heart of hearts he thinks he's going to pass any significant legislation. >> congressman king in the studio after my asking all the time. >> i couldn't stay away from you, soledad. >> she's not really a tough interviewer is she? >> she's very nice and multiracial -- >> are we rolling on this? i love this. keep the nice part. i would appreciate that. >> she was the irish-american woman of the year, there you go. >> and i accepted. nice to have you congressman, appreciate it. >>> other stories making news john has that for us. >> lots of questions about the story involving notre dame's manti te'o and his girlfriend who was suppose
he'd rather have a conversation about guns than the debt ceiling? >> i think the president is trying to get political support from his base, maybe he feels it strengthens him going into negotiations with the republicans or the fiscal issues. listen these guys won't even ban assault weapons, how can you trust them on taxes and spending. i see it as building up his political position which is not wrong but i don't think in his heart of hearts he thinks he's going to pass any significant...
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the big concern is debt ceiling talks in washington. federal reserve chairman ben bernanke says the debt ceiling law should be scrapped all together and outgoing treasury secretary tim geithner sent a letter to congress urging action, warning the treasury would run out of measures in february to keep the bills being paid on time. we're seeing some big moves in tech stocks, pc maker dell could go private, pushing the stock up in the premarket this morning, the rumors pushed the stock up 13% yesterday. dell's been struggling for years, once the pc king, it failed to get into the tablet and smartphone space and apple shares dived when it was a report iphone 5 sales could be falling off. >> that's surprising. >> if you look at my friends everybody likes the bigger screen. >> i thought you were going statistics. >> it's everything to do with samsung and less what the iphone looks like. >> people seem to like the bigger screens. i-phone is a tiny, tiny screen. >> can i get you on the record, in the end, will house republicans agree to raise t
the big concern is debt ceiling talks in washington. federal reserve chairman ben bernanke says the debt ceiling law should be scrapped all together and outgoing treasury secretary tim geithner sent a letter to congress urging action, warning the treasury would run out of measures in february to keep the bills being paid on time. we're seeing some big moves in tech stocks, pc maker dell could go private, pushing the stock up in the premarket this morning, the rumors pushed the stock up 13%...
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for example, how to raise the debt ceiling. can they even get that passed? at the end of the week, boehner will head to williamsburg, virginia to walk them through the consequences of default and then sell them on a plan that steers them away from that. as the vice president gets set to meet with house democrats about gun violence today, if the political will to change gun laws really there? democratic congressman jim clyburn, he joins me next on that topic and some others. like are we headed for another government shutdown? fight over the debt ceiling, what comes first, but first, a look ahead at the president's schedule today. lots of off camera meetings. life live lunch. you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this
for example, how to raise the debt ceiling. can they even get that passed? at the end of the week, boehner will head to williamsburg, virginia to walk them through the consequences of default and then sell them on a plan that steers them away from that. as the vice president gets set to meet with house democrats about gun violence today, if the political will to change gun laws really there? democratic congressman jim clyburn, he joins me next on that topic and some others. like are we headed...
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. >>> to washington now where yet another battle is brewing, this time it's over the debt ceiling and from the white house to capitol hill democrats and republicans are sparring over the best way to ensure the nation pays its bills and now they're taking the fight to you as both sides try to sell their point of view. president obama warning about what could happen if that debt limit is not raised. >> if congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on time, social security checks, and veterans benefits will be delayed. we might not be able to pay our troops or contracts with small business owners. investors around the world will ask if the united states of america a safe bet. >> the republican house speaker john boehner responding immediately to the president's remarks issuing a statement that read "the american people do not support raising the debt ceiling without reducing government spending at the same time. the consequences of failing to increase the debt ceiling are real, but so, too, are the consequences of allowing our spending problem to go unresolved." joining us i
. >>> to washington now where yet another battle is brewing, this time it's over the debt ceiling and from the white house to capitol hill democrats and republicans are sparring over the best way to ensure the nation pays its bills and now they're taking the fight to you as both sides try to sell their point of view. president obama warning about what could happen if that debt limit is not raised. >> if congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on time, social...
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i think we should extend if not end the debt ceiling issue. we should just set it aside for a considerable period of time. we should tackle sequestration and we have to do that in the next six weeks. so i'm hopeful that we don't drag this out as some people are saying and then move on to serious discussion of tax reform and entitlement issues. so i see it in a sense the opposite way. i say let it is done, the sequestration part in the debt ceiling in the next six weeks and then move on. those who are you saying let's do a triple by drivel, they are the ones who would be undermining the effort to sit down and had a serious discussion of tax reform. >> we have about two minutes left. francine. >> the question itemized reductions. what is your thought of having a cap and itemized deductions that people use for whatever they want. mortgage or a charity or whatever. >> i think the problem with a cat is that it has to seriously consequence, especially for charitable contributions. because a substantial portion of the charitable contributions come fr
i think we should extend if not end the debt ceiling issue. we should just set it aside for a considerable period of time. we should tackle sequestration and we have to do that in the next six weeks. so i'm hopeful that we don't drag this out as some people are saying and then move on to serious discussion of tax reform and entitlement issues. so i see it in a sense the opposite way. i say let it is done, the sequestration part in the debt ceiling in the next six weeks and then move on. those...
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we have already spent that money so you have to raise the debt ceiling. some people say stop the madness. whever the repercussions are stop it, cap it now. if we have to default we will. maybe we can skirt default somehow. seem like majority of respondents feel that way. >> 83% say spending is out of control. of that wonder i wonder how many have idea how big the debt is 16. it doesn't matter in absolute dollars this is the biggest debt that's ever existed and our credited rating has been down graded as a result of it? >> i remember as a kid i don't know elementary school or junior high when bewere talking about the debt it was something like 4 trillion. and our teachers asked us to wrap our heads around that number. try wrapping your head around 16 trillion. i just can't imagine. to pay that down how many years that would take. even with being smart with government spending. >> it's larger than our entire economy just to put it in some scale here. >> that's a problem. yeah. i remember when i was a kid going to the gas station and thinking wow why the tim
we have already spent that money so you have to raise the debt ceiling. some people say stop the madness. whever the repercussions are stop it, cap it now. if we have to default we will. maybe we can skirt default somehow. seem like majority of respondents feel that way. >> 83% say spending is out of control. of that wonder i wonder how many have idea how big the debt is 16. it doesn't matter in absolute dollars this is the biggest debt that's ever existed and our credited rating has been...
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in the coming weeks as they deal with the debt ceiling. also, those automatic cuts to defense and domestic spending. plenty more battles ahead over spending, shep. >> shepard: mike emanuel on the hill. the bill has passed and the president will sign it into law. two weeks after congress approved a separate measure to borrow $10 billion to flood insurance claims from sandy and other disasters. throughout the areas sandy hit hardest we are hearing stories of people growing increasingly frustrated in delays by getting money they need. >> the whole outside of the house was ripped apart with waves. >> the waves washed out 16 years of family mementos from this water front house on new york's long island. >> what you see is exactly how we found it after the hurricane. >> jane long-term says she will -- letterman says she will have to tear down the home she loved. two months after the storm she is still waiting for the insurance payment to get her started. >> this is a shame. it's just a shame that, you know, this had to happen. but the thing to d
in the coming weeks as they deal with the debt ceiling. also, those automatic cuts to defense and domestic spending. plenty more battles ahead over spending, shep. >> shepard: mike emanuel on the hill. the bill has passed and the president will sign it into law. two weeks after congress approved a separate measure to borrow $10 billion to flood insurance claims from sandy and other disasters. throughout the areas sandy hit hardest we are hearing stories of people growing increasingly...
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the debt ceiling and the battle over that that will play out over the next 60 days. it strikes me that if you do not put the economy on a firmer foundation none of this means anything, does it. >> reporter: you know, bill, you would think so. i think that one of the things that's happened here is because the economy did not really recover in the way we accustomed to before the 2012 election one imagined that president obama would be in all sorts of political trouble and a likely looser. a lot of us thought that, including me. well he won. this president may now have the view that he can defy political gravity and if the economy doesn't get a lot bet and it limps along at its anemic rate of growth his party can survive all that and he can go forward with an aggressive a skwrepbd today, he really does have a bigger mandate than you would think looking at the vote totals that he has, he has the republicans on defense and it's time to go for it, and if they buck him they will be the ones that pay the price in the mid-term elections in two years putting him in an even str
the debt ceiling and the battle over that that will play out over the next 60 days. it strikes me that if you do not put the economy on a firmer foundation none of this means anything, does it. >> reporter: you know, bill, you would think so. i think that one of the things that's happened here is because the economy did not really recover in the way we accustomed to before the 2012 election one imagined that president obama would be in all sorts of political trouble and a likely looser. a...
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first, we know we are approaching the debt ceiling. second, sequestration will go into effect in two months, and third, funding for the government will expire march 27. these are opportunities to make real changes in spending. i'm excited to be representing indiana's fifth district and i'm ready to get to work. there is no decision, no reason, we need to wait until the 11th hour to start talking about the tough decisions we must make for the future of our country. it is time we commit to saving these important programs. for those who need them -- saving these programs for those who need them and getting our economic house in order for the future generations of my children and my grandchildren, and our clint's children and grandchildren. let this 113th congress that chose to tackle real problems instead of handing them down to our chern. let's embrace solutions that can set us on a path to a more sustainable future. >> my thanks to the dwisht gentlelady. i now recognize -- mr. messer: i recognize the gentlelady from south bend. my condo
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could hit the debt ceiling and one out of money. a new report by the bipartisan policy center on this. but first, a news update from c- span radio. joe biden will meet today with house members to talk about how to reduce gun violence. senators plan to introduce a bill that would limit the size of ammunition magazines. at least one senator says congress is unlikely to pass it. a day long forum is taking place today in baltimore. the conference will take a look at the brady handgun law and improving background checks. michael bloomberg will be addressing the group. it begins at 9:00 p.m. eastern and you can watch it on c-span2. the house returns today and will consider aid to victims of super storm sandy. conservatives are mounting a not so fast campaign against and nearly $60 billion aid package for the sandy victims lawmakers hope to pushed through the house this week. the complaint is lots of the money will go toward recovery efforts for past disasters and other projects not related to the late november storm. $150 million for fish
could hit the debt ceiling and one out of money. a new report by the bipartisan policy center on this. but first, a news update from c- span radio. joe biden will meet today with house members to talk about how to reduce gun violence. senators plan to introduce a bill that would limit the size of ammunition magazines. at least one senator says congress is unlikely to pass it. a day long forum is taking place today in baltimore. the conference will take a look at the brady handgun law and...
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they say they are going to have a vote that will delay the debt ceiling for three months. so what they are doing, if you really look at house republicans who took the majority two years ago, they did it standing on principle for pretty much every squirmish. it seems that they are becoming a bit more sophisticated, rather, but their understanding, it seems, is that you have to pick your battles. losing credit ratings and so forth, that's not a smart battle to wage. look at some of the most conservative members of the house talking to deirdre walsh at the end of their retreat for three days about picking their battles in a better way. >> deal with the smaller ones first, maybe build up a little momentum, credibility, not only with the credit markets but with the folks back home, that we can actually deal with these things, take the small one first, debt ceiling last, i think it's a rational, reasonable thing to do. >> now, for some, wolf, maybe even those in the republican house leadership, like him talking about what is rational and reasonable, that may be a bit jarring but
they say they are going to have a vote that will delay the debt ceiling for three months. so what they are doing, if you really look at house republicans who took the majority two years ago, they did it standing on principle for pretty much every squirmish. it seems that they are becoming a bit more sophisticated, rather, but their understanding, it seems, is that you have to pick your battles. losing credit ratings and so forth, that's not a smart battle to wage. look at some of the most...
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you're referencing if the debt ceiling is not raised? caller: the middle class starts at like $75,000. what about the people that are making $20,000, $30,000, $40,000? host: ok, congressman. guest: i think you're right. i think you're talking about the debt ceiling and putting in jeopardy the full faith and credit of this country is really going to hurt everybody. surely middle-class people and people trying to climb up the ladder. it's reckless. and when they talk about, well, let's pay some of our bills and let's not pay others, i said to a reporter, asked me yesterday about this, i said, well, now you tell me which ones. individual homes have trouble doing that and prefer not to. the greatest nation in the world is going to say, we're going to pay some bills and not others and boll bondholders and defense contractors and social security recipients? host: jodie on twitter asks -- guest: sure, there are administrative costs, social security and medicare. by the way, in terms of administrative costs better than any other -- the administr
you're referencing if the debt ceiling is not raised? caller: the middle class starts at like $75,000. what about the people that are making $20,000, $30,000, $40,000? host: ok, congressman. guest: i think you're right. i think you're talking about the debt ceiling and putting in jeopardy the full faith and credit of this country is really going to hurt everybody. surely middle-class people and people trying to climb up the ladder. it's reckless. and when they talk about, well, let's pay some...
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they came in with a debt ceiling bill. the debt ceiling bill that was agreed to with the administration had some sequestration in it with the supercommittee that some of us knew wasn't going to work, because the democrats made clear they didn't want a supercommittee to work because they wanted to be able to campaign and say, gee, cuts are coming to medicare because the republicans, you know, were trying to protect the rich friends and it worked very well. they didn't reach -- wouldn't reach an agreement. even after somebody like a republican senator had a proposal to raise new revenue, a couple of democrats were reported as saying this was going to be the breakthrough that allowed an agreement, after consulting with the president, harry reid apparently made clear he didn't want a deal. no deal. so there was no deal. and now the sequestrations are about to take place. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman has 22 minutes remaining. mr. gohmert: so we had a debt ceiling bill that was undermined from the beginning, no deal wa
they came in with a debt ceiling bill. the debt ceiling bill that was agreed to with the administration had some sequestration in it with the supercommittee that some of us knew wasn't going to work, because the democrats made clear they didn't want a supercommittee to work because they wanted to be able to campaign and say, gee, cuts are coming to medicare because the republicans, you know, were trying to protect the rich friends and it worked very well. they didn't reach -- wouldn't reach an...